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25 - 26 September 2018
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UK Health Show speaker interview with keynote speaker Michael Treharne

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A bit about Michael Treharne:

Michael Treharne is a seasoned finance professional with a substantial 34 years’ worth of experience within the NHS. He is currently the Chief Finance Officer at NHS Wirral CCG.

  1. Being a Chief Financial Officer must have its challenges. What are some of the core challenges you face within your role?

One of the major challenges is being able to deliver on the required QIPP savings, particularly if you are in recovery, and in a challenged health economy. 70% of costs for CCGs are largely spent on providers but it is difficult to deliver savings when Trusts may be trying to generate additional income, as part their CIP or recovery plan. In addition, there is the danger that CCGs base their savings on tariff, through activity diversion, but in reality this is likely to be very different from the costs providers can actually lose or reduce? Therefore, unless CCGs and providers have signed up to a CEP lite process and principles, and mean it, real savings for the system remains challenging.

Coding changes usually cost the commissioner, but there is a query on the amount of value this adds to the system. This means we lose sight of what the real challenges are, unless the coding adds to our knowledge and intelligence, and influences future service and care pathway development.

Providers, particularly hospitals, have extremely challenging pressures to face and manage, but we need to ensure that our time is spent on doing what is right for the patient and system, and not just individual organisations. Some places appear to have done this quite successfully, but it requires trust between people, much more of a selfless mindset from leaders, plus cessation of the contradictory messages from regulators!

There has to be a debate about what kind of health and care service we can afford – both locally and nationally – including the dreaded “rationing” question – and not at the margins!

  1. Amidst the funding challenges the health and care system have had to face, new models of care have been introduced, budget cuts have been made and some services have been rationed. Where do you think more could be done to help resolve the funding crisis?

    Generally rationing has focused on areas such as procedures of lower clinical priority, over the counter medicines and the number of IVF cycles. A much fuller debate needs to be had. One in two 25 year olds will live to the age of 100 so inevitably there will be increased pressure on the system. We need to be clear on what can be expected from the service and what service we can afford. We can’t realistically afford to keep providing more and more services for 90 year olds, although quality of life is not necessarily purely determined by age. Wanless reported in 2002 about the increasing need for the public to take responsibility for their health and for greater emphasis on prevention and not just treatment, stating the current system was just not sustainable. Much of what he said has sadly come true.

    It is generally acknowledged that there are too many emergency hospital admissions and the NHS probably over ‘medicalises’ patients. That is not to say that non-elective admissions are inappropriate, as at the time they will be appropriate, but with the right ‘up stream’ interventions and extended services in primary and community care, many admissions could be avoided.

    We also need to push for faster discharge of patients from hospital and simultaneously reduce the number of readmissions. Other countries are doing well in comparison and we are behind the curve when it comes to readmissions. People need to be on the same page however, we need to bear in mind that if we discharge patients faster from hospital, this will in turn have an impact on primary and community care resources.

The regulators too need to be on the same page in terms of consistent and transparent messaging. As accountants we know that savings come from decreasing costs but organisations within the system can often work against each other to achieve this aim.

We have had circa 35 years of cost improvement targets and the current levels are simply unrealistic and unachievable, and hence the large deficits, many of which are structural. Going forward some form of CIP/QIPP holiday needs to be considered to focus energies more appropriately. However, given the tensions between the treasury and department of health (where the latter look for more funding, and the former look for offset efficiencies) this may be unlikely.

  1. The Prime Minister just announced an extra £20bn worth of extra funding for the NHS over the next five years. As Chief Financial Officer for NHS Wirral CCG, what is your take on this?

It was expected and necessary but the issue I have is what caveats are to come? Is it to go back to constitutional standards or will new standards and targets be put in place? How much of this will go into social care? We certainly need to see more detail. However, there is a downside to extra funding because it does not encourage systems to transform, to adapt to what is already available. With additional funding, systems often remain the same so in some instances money can be an inhibitor. There is also the proposition that the PM wants a ten year plan which makes me question, how radical this should be and will it be consistent with the existing five year plan?

  1. You’ll be speaking at the show to take part in panel debate looking at incentivising prevention vs. payment by results. Without giving away too much detail, where do you stand on the matter?

    We have introduced an industry of coders and PBR accountants but is this really valuable? PBR was introduced to risk share cost and activity pressures between providers and commissioners and probably also to better enable market plurality or provision (known tariff price should equal more level playing field). However, the reality is we now have ‘payment by hospitalisation’ and this system needs to change. We need to be creating incentives to keep people out of hospital and finding ways of making illness prevention and not just illness treatment, everyone’s job. I often say we are a national illness service, not a health service.

  2. As the NHS celebrates its 70th birthday this year, what would you say needs to happen to ensure it continues to deliver the best possible care for another 70+ years?

There needs to be a debate about service provision. The technology is there to facilitate but we have a growing ageing population which inevitably puts an increased demand on services. Patients should be given more choice and we should be weighing the balance between treatment and non-treatment.

Organisations also need to forward plan for services. STPs were originally introduced for this very reason to redistribute/allocate specialist services across their regional footprints, even if that meant travelling for specialist treatment.

I don’t think we can defend the NHS as the best in the world without looking at other countries in comparison. The NHS is by far the most cost efficient but not necessarily the most effective. We should also be focusing on educating patients and investing efforts in areas such as social prescribing. We need to empower patients and encourage them to take greater control over their own health.


  1. What are you most looking forward to about the UK Health Show 2018?

    I’m most looking forward to debating these key issues with peers from across the UK. I’m intrigued to find out what they think we should be doing.


Michael Treharne will be speaking at the UK Health Show, participating in a keynote panel debate focusing on incentivising prevention vs. payment by results on day 2.

Join us at the show on the 25-26 September to find out more.

This interview conducted by Natasha Smith, Senior Programme Manager, UK Health Show

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